Suggestion: Start using Upwork for development tracking

siNix · January 31, 2021, 6:12pm

I think this tool/site could help with the transparency of developers working on Grin. Perhaps, that when people can track developers work and see what developers are doing every day there will be less discussion(s) and more understanding for new funding request(s)

This is just an idea.

grn · February 1, 2021, 1:04am

Upwork, which hosts “millions” of coding and design gigs, guarantees payment for freelancers, even if the clients who hired them refuse to pay. But in order to get the money, freelancers have to agree in advance to use Upwork’s digital Work Diary, which counts keystrokes to measure how “productive” they are and takes screenshots of their computer screens to determine whether they’re actually doing the work they say they’re doing.

Invade developer’s privacy for working on a privacy preserving cryptocurrency? Noooooooo (ᵐ෴ʷ)

Mokhtar · February 1, 2021, 8:36am

you can have a look at forum profile, github profile etc without having to use this kind of creepy trackers.

davidtavarez · February 1, 2021, 8:41am

I think that with regular posting on the forum could be enough. Look at my last progress update, I list there the progress but also I’m adding links for each item. And at the end, I close with what I will do next.

siNix · February 1, 2021, 9:52am

Oke…It was just a helpful idea to think more in solutions and find a tool that will help gain trust again.

davidtavarez · February 1, 2021, 10:18am

It was not a bad idea at all. I think the context is different. Check this funding request. I think is perfect:

There is a clear commitment on what will be delivered.
There is an estimated time.
Anyone can track the progress on github.

Maybe a forum post could help to give more information to non technical users… what do you think?

Anynomous · February 2, 2021, 9:48am

The idea is good.

We need to to properly formulate objectives and key results (OKR goals with time estimates connected to them. 10 months ago, we tried to formulate a template for funding request to make funding request more tangible:

github.com

mimblewimble/grin-pm/blob/master/financials/funding_request_template.md

## Funding Request: [insert your name], [insert funding period]

<!-- This funding request template was made based on past experiences and debates on the Grin Forum about the necessity to have clear, 
transparent and unambiguous information in funding requests. 
This template is not intended to be exhaustive and only serves as a guideline to clearly communicate the minimal amount of information 
needed for the GRIN community to assess requests for funding. Feel free to add and modify to this template to improve clarity and transparency. 
However, let us aim to keep this funding template minimal and elegant like GRIN and the Mimble Wimble protocol itself. 
For ease of comparison of funding requests, it is advised to provide these fields of information in the order given below. -->


## Financial information

* I would like to request funding to allow me to work for [full time, part-time expressed in FTE] on the Grin project for a period of **[nr of months] months** [month begin - month end, year].
* For this work I would like to request **[Amount/month currency]** which is equivalent of ~ [Amount/month] EUR.
   * IF APPLICABLE: In the previous funding period I was paid [Amount/month currency] (~ [Amount/month] EUR ). 
   * IF APPLICABLE: If a significant change in work load and/or hour rate occurs, please elaborate on the reasons for this change
* I work in [Country of residence] and adjusted my funding request appropriately
* IF APPLICABLE: I have been working on Grin since [start data] and have been working on [describe previous contributions]

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Maybe this template should be somewhat expanded on to give even more measurable and tangible deliverable listing.

Interesting to see how Grin always goes iteratively in cycles with the same discussions on: governance, the level of detail and (im-)measurably of output, despair based on setbacks and price, euphoria based on breakthroughs moments.
In the end the project goes in cycles spiraling upwards by improving in each of these cycles.
Further discussion I will keep for the Governance meeting.

Topic		Replies	Views
Request for Funding - Getting Back to Work //Jankie Governance	4	367	June 30, 2022
Seeking collaborators for grin fundraising platform	6	877	February 18, 2018
Anonymous Developer Grin funding Development and Technical Discussion	18	537	January 30, 2021
Request for Funding @yeastplume, Jan-Mar 2020 Governance	2	796	January 1, 2020
Request for funding @jaspervdm, Feb-Apr 2021 Governance	32	3613	February 9, 2021

Suggestion: Start using Upwork for development tracking

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