How To Increase Grin Adoption

I presume you’re kidding…it’s not about mobile wallets at all. It relates to how Grin takes advantage of mimblewimble so that there are no addresses stored on the chain - you need to interact with the counterparty to send or receive Grin since otherwise there is effectively nowhere for the Grin to go! (Someone more technical, correct me if I’m wrong) I’m not sure to what extent one of the parties can be/go offline and come on subsequently, to complete a transaction that has been initiated, as BEAM claims you can do with its MW coin… it would be good if someone from the Grin core dev team could clear this up vis a vis the current status. Agree with OP that it would be great to have some with expert tech knowledge of Grin to respond to potentially misleading twittering like that :slight_smile:

is’nt that what we are¿ “a private system” ¿

it should’nt be long before tech support sees it. but people are expecting too much from us at this early stage.

Yes you are right. My point is like other MW team replied to this Grin also should reply.

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The lack of addresses is an unfortunate trade-off rather than a feature. Grin didn’t choose to not have addresses; it is a direct cause of mimblewimble having unique private keys for every single transaction (blinding factor) rather than sending the coins to the hash of someone’s public key (address).

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Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps you can also say if it is currently the case that both parties need to be online (at the same time) to transact with Grin? (And if there are plans in the future roadmap to provide for asynchronous transactions?)

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There has never been such a requirement. You can do Grin transactions with carrier pigeons if you wish. The reason both parties need to interact with each other is that both of their signatures are required for the transaction. File transactions have been implemented since the first day, and an alternative is Grinbox, that essentially is an encrypted relay protocol for file transactions (just an additional layer for security and convenience).

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Thank you for the clarification.

Right, yes - it’s not a requirement - you could use pigeons in theory - but for practical purposes, it’s a lot easier and faster if both parties are online simultaneously. The original question stemmed from a claim related to the usability (or otherwise) of Grin.

Well, not necessarily “online”. You could do some QR code stuff IRL perhaps without an internet connection, or a bluetooth transaction, or ultrasound morse code, etc. I think @mcdallas is working on conceptualizing QR code transactions.

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“ultrasound morse code” … love it :slight_smile:

Screenshot_20190905-151319 and some guy said “that was how bitcoin was for the first 6 months”

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Great idea, what about Telegram too? it seems grin did not have any meaningful telegram community. I am willing to support your plans.

The 2,966 members of t.me/GrinCoin would disagree with you.

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Thanks David, I am not aware of this group until now. Good job

Why not tip the service / waitor in grin? Might be possible. Tips are tax free in many countries, so another problem is avoided.

However, the general statement “I cannot pay in -insert crypto currency of choice-” might be too strict. Who knows. Maybe some restaurants might accept crypto. Not the big ones, but the smaller ones, why not. Maybe when the boss is around and is interested.

If there is a smart phone wallet that can be installed on demand (exists for Grin: Ironbelly), it might be worth asking.

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Without mobile wallet, will not be adoption, simple.
Even 1 year after launch, mobile wallet in not in gouvernance agenda, grin is used only in shade trades.
Ironbelly exist, is simple and beautiful, but dont have suport by grin guvernance, is made only by a programmer who dont visit grin forum from 08.2019, maybe becouse dont find support here, and sincerly i dont think this wallet in this conditions, have future.
I , simple, dont understand this attitude
Sorry for misspeling, english is not my native language

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However you also have to respect when the core team is busy with scientific progress, math and cryptography. “Widespread adoption” is probably not their most important topic right now.

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We first need a stable base layer. Grin has a few areas that need to be researched before you want to build stuff on it including mobile wallets or second layer solutions. It is possible to build a mobile wallet (hats off to everyone doing it), but in this case, the maintainers should expect that the core will change and they will need to update it quite a few times in order not to go ‘out of sync’. I suggest we first focus on making the base layer very strong. The core team and others are doing great progress on this, but we lack on the research side a bit for now. Hopefully, some of the funding will go to the research side and community members that have a background in cryptography could also take a look at some of the research paths that have been suggested for example the one mentioned here BLS pink research
Grin is doing a great job at staying simple. The future is bright as long as we keep improving it without introducing too much complexity.

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This is absolutely true. There is a lot to do to enlarge the adoption of Grin. May be the right move can be done a business company who will create a simple use mobile/desktop wallet, as what happened with bitcoin and blockchain.com wallet.

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