Suggestion: Return CC funds to OC

[Neo]

@Trinitron

I think that battening the hatches even if it puts grin into an even slower pace is better than some kind of out of control community funds disaster. This is a backhanded compliment to the CC as it existed in a way, as aimless as I think the efforts have been I still more or less trusted most of you had good intentions. With a majority change of guard and the current community, I think the next iteration might be worse.

I wouldn’t say we’re at risk of an out of control funds disaster. There’s the miners, which are currently a disaster. There are incomplete funding requests, however, OC has had issues like this, that’s started debates before. Even if a dev is doing good honest work; they might have miscalculated the task and seek more funding to complete it. It’s always going to happen to some extent unless everything is bounty based.

@Trinitron

Do you believe the CC achieved this? I think it’s debatable. Grin++ was funded, but I’m not sure it was materially advanced. A lot of the claimed work was on user support, which I personally don’t think the development funds are responsible for. If users had just been redirected to the forums instead of Telegram there is plenty of volunteer support here.

@Trinitron

I put a lot less stock in this than other people. More cool ideas have been actioned on a volunteer basis than through funding first. I’m not sure a single one has come to fruition, and I think funding fuels a cargo cult mentality where everyone is expecting someone else to use the cool idea. Who is even going to run a coinswap server? I can hear the funding request for that coming around the bend already

No, but I don’t think this is just on the CC. The CC is relying on the community to submit funding requests.

I agree. You could make an argument that having funds available is a burden. It goes against the essence of a grass roots project, because, more expect some kind of compensation and could consider it unmotivating if someone else is getting funded and they’re not.

CC returning funds isn’t going to stop funding requests when OC has funds. It’s more likely to just create more tension within the community and put more pressure on OC.

@Trinitron

Valid question and probably not, not the way some of the community wants them managed. I will plainly admit that I preferred the original OC funding mechanism, where the fund is for the core development and everyone else is on their own. If people want something, they can build it.

There was once a consideration by lehnberg to:

@lehnberg

• Return the funds to the anonymous donor
• Burn the funds

Dismantling the core team and governance structure

Tl;dr Solicit ideas and approaches on how best to break down the current governance structure and replace it with something new. I pledge to help write an RFC and/or shepherd it if I can be convinced it will be an improvement over the existing structure. Motivation Rather than making empty threats to “destroy the core team”, let’s instead embrace the thought and work together in the open to see if we can come up with a better governance structure to replace it with. It’s very possible that what…

If for example, CC burned through all it’s funds. Providing those funds were inline with the donors request, then would that really be a bad thing?