It was just a suggestion, just thinking out loud. I am doing this for the first time so not sure what is the optimal way.
Regarding the prize, they are from the Grinventions donations (not from my personal wallet), but I would gladly accept sponsorship from CC.
I think a bit bigger price, might entice a few more users to make an account for Area 51. For now you only have a chance if you buy a lottery ticket for 5 Grin right?
How about we trow in a free prize, for everyone who has an Area 51 account. People love the chance of getting some Grin for free. Ofcocurse, also users who bought a ticket should have chance to get that prize.
Yes, just to test the whole process. I was planning to make next one 100 tickets / 100 ツ prize.
I am not sure if that is a good idea because this explicitly looks like just paying people to register, like paid follows on Instagram etc.
Ok, I did not think of it like that 
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People are lazy by nature (me included). Making an account takes time, the chance of winning something even though small, creates an incentive or excuse for the mind to spend some time.
Honestly, if we can get 51 users registered just to get things started for lets say 51 Grin. Then I think that is a worthy spend.
Otherwise we could also see having a bounty for a memes contest a paying for users to be active for existing and new community members. I just see it as spending some pennies/Grin to have fun Grin activities and for keeping the ecosystem moving forward.Since it is only a modest price and there is only a chance of winning, I think we do not have to consider seeing this as payment of any sort.
Today @cogscides made me realize something. I kind of took for granted the understanding of what Area51 actually is. Allow me to clarify few things.
If you dropped the idea of joining our proposal, please reconsider after reading the above points.
Good reasons to support this innitiative
After discussing it in the Grin Community Council meeting of the 20th of December we decided to just support this innitiative individually since we are all very much for it but without sponsoring prices using the councils money.
I like the idea of lottery bucket 
joining forces!
RIP.
How far of the target?
Just to get an idea if we should try again in 6-12months from now.
I agree as long as by “we” you mean a group of people that does not include me. I can honestly say that I am extremely disappointed with this community. The process of creating this proposal felt a bit humiliating, I felt like I was begging people to sign up and give it a chance. Which is ridiculous given how obvious the benefit is. The Telegram group is 1137 people and among all of those there was no 60 people to dedicate 5 minutes of their time to make something that improves the dev work on GRIN.
I have spent a lot of my personal time trying to make it work and I feel I’d rather dedicate it elsewhere where it would not be wasted. I refuse to go through this process again, but if someone else will, I can help.
Also, once we release the alpha of our project with grinnode.live I am stopping all the dev work I am doing for GRIN until a proposal like this works out at some point. It doesn’t make sense to build products without proper support and ツ is community-based support but community has no platform to communicate.
Edit: “…community has no platform to communicate…” unless if communicating on Forum or keybase or Telegram where answers get buried and same questions will be asked over and over again qualifies as a platform.
I feel your disappointment, this was an obvious good thing for Grin. If there is a next time, you will not need to pull this. It is frutrating in general that so few are willing to go through so little effort to create something good for the community. Not sure if and how to solve that.
And yes, it is rediculous that you had to put in so much effort. Thx for trying anyway, you deserve some 
. The quality of an idea cannot be measured by its outcome.
Perhaps I can share some personal pain with GRIN and it’s community from my perspective. I do understand your frustration and possible anger towards a community which is diverse and not easy to understand.
After I learned how GRIN was working I did see the opportunity to help GRIN with my skills and supply a few nodes to the Network which I did in Dec 2019 and never stopped since then.
I dedicated a lot of time towards a high-available GRIN infrastructure to support GRIN and the GRIN network. This took weeks of work to automate the process but it was my way of giving something back.
By this time having earned some reputaion, if you could call it, I was allowed to be part of the DNS-Seed of GRIN wich to me was a big thing as I always where feeling no one noticed me during these times and the effort I did put into the work.
Afterwards we noticed we had a low count of GRIN-nodes in our network and no one wanted to do something about. So I took the initiative and create the GRIN-Node Challenges because I was not seeing anyone doing much about it.
Again this was frustrating to start with but fun while we made it, as I did involve GRIN community members and it felt like we are archiving something together.
enough about me, but with this I wanted to give you an example on why I am still here 
You @renzokuken are one of the community members who stood out with your work on GRIN:
It is normal when working with GRIN to be at least frustrated once and want to quit.
I was also near quitting but then I remembered, GRIN has no central authority and no central leadership.
Each and everyone needs to do his small part for GRIN , as we are not centrally organized and everyone if free in his decisions. This makes GRIN a bit sluggish but interesting to work with. Also working with GRIN I did meet a lot of way smarter people then I am and this is also something we should not forget. The community consist of people believing in tech and not only speculators.
@renzokuken GRIN need’s you and please reconsider your decision.
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MCM-Mike
That’s a shame. The reality is that vast majority of the community doesn’t care about the coin’s future and that holds for all cryptocurrencies. Thanks for trying, i guess the community is currently too small which is a shame since such things are important for easier onboarding of new developers
I know exactly what you mean @renzokuken. I’ve spent a lot of time on Grin and often it took way too long to consider some ideas. I’ve encountered resistance for the constant size node, manual confirmation, payjoin replays, contract terminology, etc. It sometimes took over a year for someone to write to me on private that the idea actually makes a lot of sense. It seems persistence is a requirement to get your idea noticed which is even more true in Bitcoin. This is what makes this whole process frustrating at times in decentralized projects. But all these issues are mostly because the community is really small and there’s very few people able to go through these. Evaluating ideas takes time and a lot of mental effort and to make it worse, a lot of ideas end up being flawed unfortunately. I believe this is something we simply have to survive in the early years. The situation is even worse for the nontechnical ideas where the community is rather passive. Everyone likes to talk and have an opinion, but very few put in any effort towards providing new material of any kind. The reason I’ve spent time writing simple ways of understanding Grin is so others could spread the knowledge forward. I still believe these will be useful, but we may need to get more people in the community that have a more hands on approach. We’ll get there eventually, but until then, it’s going to be a bit painful. It might help to take some time off to rest your mind and check back in a few months, Grin will be around. Being burned out is very real and often requires taking a step back to avoid making it worse. It’s sad to see this didn’t get through, I think it was a great idea.
Sorry to see that proposal is dismissed. When I was looking for a script, I saw that django-cms’s proposal had also been declined, which has 8600 stars on github. You are right to be disappointed, but maybe also stack exchange is a little bit aggressive on dismissing proposals.
Don’t be disheartened. I also felt sad that there was so little interest but in reality only a small proportion of people in any crypto project actively takes part in development. Most people just want to hear exciting news done by others to justify their bags. I can ask anyone if they’ve heard of Bitcoin but almost nobody has any clue about how any of it works or is even curious. We just need to keep doing what we are doing and talking about grin wherever we can and growth would happen naturally. It’s likely that great ideas will seem overlooked but timing is everything.
I appreciate the grind you put in @renzokuken, think we are all on the same page of the value of having the QA site for grin. The Grin community is small but still pushed the stack memebers to over 53- that’s not bad. I even enjoyed the ride, seeing the memes fly and watching the community rally around you and your proposal. Only thing the Grin community failed at is not knowing the rules of the game (seven days without activity and the submission gets removed)
No need to sugarcoat this. Community Grin is getting SMALL day by day.
2019>2020>2021
2020 was smaller than 2019
2021 smaller than 2020
2022 looks worse than 2021
Thank you Renzo, you are the man.you do your best. 
Your time got wasted by a bunch of self-declared guru’s who think to know best and think they only know all about decentralized projects. The only thing they really achieved is destroying this once great project. You can tell by all the important people that already left and that this project is not pulling any new people in.
Those who are still there are living on the last bit of money there is. They know it is going to break apart and therefor it is not in their interest to give you any more funding. For obvious reasons.
Walk away and never turn around.
@davidtavarez david you are very good man. I belive you. grin will rise like the sun thanks to you. here we go 
