TradeOgre (TO) Watch: TradeOgre Offline, A Thread

Regarding the explanation you gave on youtube, I think you did a decent job. However, the hardest part for many to wrap their head around is what the linear supply actually means. You explained this to some point by explaining hat Grin is deflationary, but in addition it means:

  • That price will only fall until increase in adoption will outpace the relative supply. For example, we are now at 15 % inflation [Source], meaning that with only 15% yearly growth in users you would already expect the price to level out.
  • In reality there will not be an infinite amount of grin. Supply will approach the loss rate (coins lost because of people losing the keys forever). Meaning that for example assuming a yearly 2% loss rate, the total supply of grin would level when Grin reaches its 50 years birthday.

In any case, thanks for introducing Grin to your audience.

2 Likes

So you mean that price will fall onloy for as long as the level of adoption remains low. Once adoption picks up, and more users begin accumulating GRIN, the price will increase. Correct?

1 Like

Yes, on average you would expect the price to level out when adoption catches up. Ofcourse there will still be fluctuations due to other factors such as sentiment, seasonality (bull-bear cycle) and market manipulation.

3 Likes

Sucks, I still have a few hundred dollars in assets at TradeOgre.

1 Like

funds on the move Intel Platform | Arkham

Well, I guess a bad actor wouldn’t do a test transaction..

1 Like

That shit with Kaspa was a red flag. We were fools.

2 Likes

TO liquidity finally withdrawn:

Apparently this score went to Canada’s gov.

2 Likes

How do you know it went to the Canadian government?
I am always surprised that confiscating assets like this is lawful. At best I would expect regulators to be able to force KYC on costumers. Otherwise confiscating assets is simply theft masking as lawfulness.

I don’t know anything definitively about TO, just as I don’t know anything definitelvey about John McAfee, Jeffrey Epstein, or Charlie Kirk (for all I know their deaths were staged and they are living it up on an island), I was just sharing this article:

No need to mine or invest, the U.S. gov became a top 10 bitcoin holder by amassing a cost-neutral crypto reserve. Perhaps other districts will use the same strategy to build up their reserves. Reminds me of the gold ban of 1933 that was implemented across the realm in a similar fashion.

1 Like

1 Like

https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/record-breaking-56m-in-cryptocurrency-seized-by-rcmp/

1 Like

This rhetoric is unmatched, that’s some real journalism here

Investigators say they have reason to believe that the majority of funds transacted on TradeOgre may be from criminal sources.

Congrats guys, we are officially criminals!

2 Likes

how r u a criminal if criminals stole ur assets? evil is good and good is evil right?

This is actually a make or break test moment for authorities, not for grin users. There are two possibilities:

Scenario 1
Regulators are simply regulating/enforcing KYC and AML - that is within the prerogative. KYC is not a problem for most of us but I pity those of us who are in authoritarian counties who might not have the luxury of being able to reveal their identities and trust their authorities.

Scenario 2
If regulators are overreaching and simply trying to steal the funds, they prove themselves to be evil “Who Watches the Watchmens” - they would validate and fuel the narrative that privacy projects are needed to fight corrupt regulators and governments.

I hope it is scenario 1, but the world is going a bit mad lately with fascism being normalized and common sense being criminalized. Time will tell.

Can’t agree more on this.

When it comes to the scenarios, no one wins here, except the authorities. The loose is always on the consumer side and KYC/AML changes nothing in that regard.

I do remember FTX and the recent Coinbase leaks. Thanks to the regulators for being here and enforcing KYC/AML to protect basic consumer rights.

1 Like

And how might one go about accumulating grin today? Would you say the status quo wrt liquidity bodes well for the survival of this coin?

Nonlogs or P2P. There have been 1 million sat days on GRIN-BTC on nonlogs lately and I would bet within a year it’s averaging 5-10x that amount as word spreads and they list more pairs.

2 Likes

was it a honey pot, do you think?

I don’t think the Canadians are that smart.

For anyone who is in the process of recovering their TO funds through the Palladium legal case, I’ll be interviewing Palladium this weekend. They informed me that there is an update in the case. The vid will be available shortly after the interview. Hope to have it done Saturday morning, my time.

1 Like