this is what i talk about! thanks to you
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Youāve got a better chance of mining a Bitcoin with a rusty Casio calculator during a market crash triggered by Elon tweeting a pic of his dog in a thong than seeing GRIN listed on Kraken!
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When a crypto expert at Kraken examines Grinās features, he may be struck by its distinctive design. This intrigue could lead him to discuss it with a friend or another colleague. Who knows what opportunities might come from this interest?
i see no harm for trying.
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I sent in a request. Their application form is unnecessarily convoluted, it seemed like it was assuming this was an ETH/SOL token even though I selected all the ānative L1ā options.
Personally Iām not hopeful, these centralized exchanges are just shitcoin casinos. Canāt hurt to try though - they note coins can reapply every six months so, I guess we should just keep it up.
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what about coin base, they will list everything 
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I was thinking about this, but what is the reason behind not paying for a listing fee? We will destroy every holder hopes in this coin.
Please let the community vote for this. Letās make a poll with only users from this forum with at least a couple months old to able to vote on it, so it canāt be manipulated.
Listing on a new exchange like MEXC will provide liquidity more coverage, and GRIN needs it.
I donāt understand because there has been plenty situations of useless project funds misplacement before, on things that maybe not everyone wants, which I or many were against it, but this is something that the community wants.
Waiting to be listed for free, because GRIN is fairer than Bitcoins, is not a motive, this is like waiting for someone to bring you a glass of water while you are lost in the desert.
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This was the message, or parts there of from the major Anonymous donor to Grin. It was to enable the developers to work freely on Grin:
At the time of the donation, the code of conduct and spending guidelines were as they are now for the (Original Council) OC and later for the (Community Council) CC. It is not that no one should pay for listings for Grin, it is only not fitting with the intentions and ideals of the project and the received donation.
If people want to pay for listings, that is fine, it should however be with a separate fund since we do not want to compromise on the initial ideals set out when this beautiful project got started which led to this generous donation by this Anonymous donor for which we are all still very grateful 
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Well, I absolutely agree, I donāt see why we should pay to fatten up exchange. I know that for many people, GRIN seems dead because the price and volume are so low, but GRIN is also an entire ideology, a set of values.
We have 41.70 btc. If we manage not to throw money out the window as it was done before (by the way, I see that this has significantly decreased over the past few months, for reasons I donāt know since I havenāt followed the latest expenses, but thatās another story), if Bitcoin reaches $500K, that would mean more than $20M for development. Hopefully, this would allow for the implementation of real projects or significant progress.
And if it were up to me, I would freeze all unnecessary expenses and only allocate funding drop by drop
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A few years back the fund was split in half to start a Community Council after much contention about project management. Unfortunately much of that was squandered on ventures that ultimately went nowhere and now enough of the CC has fallen dormant that Iām not sure they can technically reach a quorum anymore. Thereās still another ~22.43āæ in the CC wallet, and recently some have proposed returning the funds to the OC. While Iām personally skeptical that BTC can reach the kind of valuation you talk about, I do think re-merging the wallets and holding the funds for the future is the best course of action.
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Also, per the initial topic of this thread, thereās evidence emerging of MEXC running the same fractional reserve scheme against Monero that Binance previously did. Given Grinās similar transactional uniformity itās probably safe to assume that if it was listed and picked up any meaningful volume there that the same scam would be run against it.
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Monero has $5M daily volume on MEXC, 2M higher than Kraken.
Isnāt our main purpose here to spread adoption? How can we do that? If MEXC and Binance and everything else is a scam, itās better to do nothing?
Iām in favor of merging the funds and implementing it as soon as possible. It is not too late to reverse the decision. How can we proceed to execute this request and have it voted on at the next governance meeting?
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The first question would be, which governance meetings? Only the CC has public governance meetings and at the moment only 3 of us are active, which is not enough for quorum. Unless the OC would become active or merge with the CC, any transfer of funds would be meaningless since it would be from one inactive council to another inactive council 
@yasabi Which spending decisions of the CC would you categorize as āsquanderedā, apart from the mining investment which turned out really bad but which was pushed for by the community. Most of the funds were spend on continued development of Grin++, was that all a waste in your opinion? Or was it paying for a ground-keeper, who provided all the administration and a newsletter for outreach, which again, was very strongly fought for by the community. To be clear, I have no strong feelings about this, but I would appreciate getting some more input and outsider perspective. @Arka and @yasabi if you have strong feelings about governance and the direction of Grin, just drop by in these CC meetings, it makes them more useful if there are more community members present. See here a link to the next meetings agenda:
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Perhaps āsquanderedā was too strong a word - I was mostly thinking of the mining investment, yes. But to be fair Grin++ is increasingly unusable today and at risk of becoming abandonware going forward so directing so much of the fund to it is looking more regretful as time goes on. Maybe future development spending should come with a stipulation about maintaining support for longer periods of time.
Unfortunately the timing for the CC meetings doesnāt agree with my schedule, and tbh Iām adverse to governance and meetings overall. If CC coordination was done more asynchronously then I might be more amenable to participating in it. Now that the OC is officially disbanded, however, it might be worth reconsidering what the CCās function is, and whether or not there is a better organizational form for the Grin project.
Personally Iād be in favor of moving to more of a community crowdsourcing style model a la Monero, where individuals open proposals which are āvotedā on by manner of other individuals contributing funding directly to them. The two funds that exist today could then be merged into a sort of āgeneral fundā controlled by a rotating group, and its function would be more to ātop offā specific CCS proposals deemed important to the overall direction of the project should they get close to their funding goals but not quite meet them. This would decentralize the funding model overall, moving the primary financial responsibility from the OC/CC to the forum participants here, and then result in a more conservative management of the remainder of that initial āæ100 donation.
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Where did you get the information that the OC āofficially disbandedā? To my knowledge they are just not very active but not disbanded.
Aā¦ You probably nean āthe coreā, yes they disbanded in 2020 and apperently it was a poor choice of a name. I proposed that name similar to how you have the Bitcoin Core teamā¦
. Now you only have two councils to manage funds.
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Potayto potahto 
But hijacking this thread about a MEXC listing isnāt really appropriate for discussing organizational theory so Iāll drop the matter.
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Cryptocurrency exchanges are not charities, they are organizations that make money. They hope to list projects that can make a lot of money, unfortunately, grin coin doesnāt bring more users to exchanges like projects like PI or memecoin trump.
If grincoin has as many users and popularity as Bitcoin, the exchange will ask the community to list the project for no fees.
Fundamentally, itās about how grin coin wins out from tens of thousands of competing cryptocurrency projects.
how?The grin community needs a hero who stands up and leads us to win,need a hero like elon muskćpeter thier etc
Finally, thank you for communicating on our behalf
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In my opinion, Elon Musk is more like a villan (massive disinformation, manipulating elections, vote buying, foreign election interference, abusing government power, using a president to make commercials for his cars, making nazi salutes etc.) than a hero.
Perhaps we need many small heroes. If every community member helps out just a little, whether through mining, arts, memes, discussions, testing, governance, market making, outreach, development or running a node, Grin will have a bright future 
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