In other words, I’m wondering if grin can act parasitically w/ pretty much just a copy/paste of beam’s flashy UX stuff (then we make it black and yellow). Sort of like litecoin does to bitcoin?
No. Grin should rather come up with its own UX framework that ideally is adopted by all wallets, at least loosely to form a visual brand and clear flows for the users. I think that Beam’s stuff is actually a bit too flashy.
I was doodling around recently in order to come up with a simple wallet design that looks grinish to me:
What I would want as a user:
- A website that tells me clearly which wallets are safe to use
- A descriptive, but reduced wallet UI
- All wallet implementations should have simillar flows, or it gets confusing
- No flashy gradient backgrounds, but high contrasts for maximum accessibility
It could quite easily steal some parts of it, but lack of “flashiness” isn’t Grin’s problem. Grin’s wallet protocol is just far inferior to Beam’s from a usability standpoint. That can’t be solved with pretty colors.
I think you mean like bitcoin will do to litecoin when it copies the MWEB? 
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The devs not giving a fuck about UX is a feature not a bug. This is why I love this project.
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Lol, but what is the message @Numecca? become a dentist and make people grin/grim (ᵐ‿ʷ) ?
Just dropping in to say hello. 
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You could take a look to Grin++ after next HF it will get better… but the problem isn’t about colors and stuff, the Grin UX is completely different, kind of unique.
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the UX / UI could use more balanced love instead of how you write it down: they dont give a fuck 
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Personally I think the UX is the client’s responsibility. Niffler for example, great UX, great for grin, but not a part of grin’s development.
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I think both are the responsibility of the current sitting team ( my opinion ) grin needs a simple to use average joe and tina layout for daily use, it does not need any fancy looking options, but a straight easy to use layout that is understandable and one that does not need his own support channel.
it is just a simple abc, the right foundation, the right steps, thinking less complicated when it is about the ux/ui and the rest will follow. Tesla did the same thing.
Correct me if i am wrong
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Lehnberg told in Grinhub dont expect a clean UX in the near term.
Why them? Why is it not our responsibility? The ex core guys that are getting paid are doing stuff that is currently more important and nobody else can do. It’s really not up to them, but up to us to make improvements if we want them. Funding the mobile wallet development is an example of a nice community initiative in this direction
Designing a easy to use ux/ui for Grin is not something that will take weeks or months. It just takes a few good discussions with a few ux/ui people and the current development team. Nothing more and nothing less. Don’t forget that in the end the best supported wallet is the original grin wallet. All others wallets are heavily depending on continuous updates and development. If for any reason they stop: your wallet will be useless also until they get updated.
To answer your question: Why is it not our responsibility? Because there is currently a lack of support and enthousiasme from people that are not in the the ex core team ( or ( mobile ) wallet developers )
We can all sit and wait and have endless discussions… or just debate about the ux/ui issue/problem so people become more aware about it.
Yeah, but I’m saying that the current dev team has other things to work on that need to be done and have higher priority. We all agree that ux needs improvement, the man power is too weak to tackle it now
How can Grin++ be improved? The UI seems pretty straightforward to me. It’s got a bunch of features, but most are optional and hidden from the everyday user. The only complexity comes from the fact that we must support 3 different types of transactions (file, http(s), and slatepacks). The first 2 will be removed once the exchanges stop supporting them.
Grin does not have a GUI problem. It has an annoyingly complex ecosystem due to a history of poor decisions about transaction building. In order for a wallet to support all exchanges, pools, and other wallets, it has to offer the user a bunch of options, which is where the bad UX comes from.
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To be honest, I do not really get the bad UX part that much. I basically never had an issue. I used Grin++ for a long time now, which is simple to use and well designed. Mining with 2miners, failed transfer for being offline just means they will send the funds later.
After http/https transfer is phased out, that is one less way to pay. Late locking will be implemented in the coming hard fork. The only major thing left to improve UX are 2 step transactions and possible non-interactive transactions which unfortunately are complex to get right and will probably be implemented in the coming year (or is this me being to optimistic).
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The download size is quite large for a wallet. If a couple of MB can be shaved off, that would be great.
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@david, I was not referring to the grin++ wallet, but if you want some improvement suggestions here there are:
1: create wallet / restore wallet suggestions:
1.1: rename it to: Create New Wallet or Create my Wallet / Create Grin Wallet
1.2: Restore wallet seed: Restore wallet from seed / Restore from seed
2: Create Wallet ( username/password/confirm password/seed ) suggestions:
2.1: rename it to: Your Username / Your Grin username / Wallet Name ( etc ) My wallet
2.2: password: Password* add a * at the bottom with: Please remember this password. If you lose your password, everything will be gone/lost. ( just an idea )
2.3: Seed: Your wallet seed length / Wallet Seed ( recovery seed length ) Private wallet seed.
2.4: use a default seed of 12 instead of 24
3: layout spendable/logged in
3.1: the v1.0.0-alpha4 looked way cleaner then the current version. Here some improvement suggestions:
3.2: Spendable: Grin Balance / Your Grin balance
This is maybe the most common thing people are mentioning: I can’t find my grin address:
3.3: rename: Receive: My grin wallet address / Your Grin address /
3.4: explain better why there is grinplusplus.com in the wallet address, people just don’t understand that.
3.5: The same voor receive… what do you mean with that? That is how people think. We know, but they don’t. Make it easier for new people to understand.
3.6 The same for finalize… make it more understandable.
3.7: The same for slatepack
Anyway these are just suggestions, daily issues. What is logical for us is not logical for a lot of people.