Sure it is not user friendly. I try it and it fails. Simply and Straight. No interest to try it again. Imagine how many averaging users can endure such frustrating thing. If the developer of a software has such arrogance attitude, no wonder the software fails.
is this a joke? 
You are saying that Grin++ is not “user friendly” but you are not using Grin++… in order to be “user friendly” you think Grin++ should start and kill process for you and take care of other applications, when this is actually a prohibited behavior by any Antivirus… I am providing you with 3 links if you want to learn more and also the Grin++ channel where we can help you to solve any issue…
You just said: “no interest to try it again”, why are you complaining then? you don’t even use it… and I am the arrogant here? what?!
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Great, so it should be easy for me to explain what’s going on. Imagine running bitcoin core, and also trying to run libbitcoin on the same machine at the same time. That’s 2 different nodes trying to use the same ports, same peers, etc. so only one of them will succeed.
Niffler has chosen to leave the grin process (ie their node) running in the background. Because of this, Grin++ is not able to start its node on the same ports, using the same peers, etc. Now, we could automatically kill any process that’s using those ports, but that feels like the wrong decision to make. It runs the risk of corrupting the data of another program. So we decide to fail gracefully instead. For sure, we should improve that error message to indicate to the user what the issue is. I take full responsibility for the poor choice of wording, and will think of better ways to inform the user of the problem. Suggestions welcome.
Grin++ always uses a tor address generated from your wallet seed. It’s the same address every single time. It also provides an http address based on that tor address that also never changes. You may use that http address on any exchange that supports http(s), which is the majority of them. For the few that don’t, they support send by file instead. Grin++ supports that as well.
Sorry to hear this. I do hope you’ll change your mind. If you do, we’re always happy to help with any Grin++ issues at Telegram: Contact @GrinPP
Thanks for the feedback, and don’t hesitate to reach out to me directly if you have any other advice for how we can further improve.
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Thanks for your kind response. That is the constructive way for a good developer-to-user communication.
I do think the Grin community should work out one and only one Official Wallet. Two many choices not only make users confusion but also bring issues such as these wallets are not working well side by side when they all are installed. Typically, if there are more than one choices, the user will try both and pick one. Then the compatibility issue naturally arises and more confusions occurs. This is SO BAD. That is definitely a user experience issue.
I don’t like the way @davidtavarez arguing with me. What is the point to debating with a user to clarify whether it is a user experience problem? When the user raise a question about your software, IT IS A USER EXPERIENCE PROBLEM because it is your user not you the developer defining the user experience.
Do you think bitcoin should do the same? There are currently dozens of bitcoin wallets out there, and bitcoin core is actually one of the least user friendly btc wallets. Part of the reason bitcoin wallets are more stable in general is because they’re much more mature. Bitcoin is 11 years old. Grin is 18 months old. But their protocol also doesn’t require users to work together in order to build a transaction, which is a whole additional layer of complexity that grin wallet devs have to struggle with. Building a grin wallet is difficult.
Making the situation even more difficult, grin is being developed largely by volunteers with no expectation of profit. Some of us spend a lot of time working on this stuff, but it’s hard to compete with the thousands of VC-funded alts out there who exist to profit off of you. It understandably takes us longer. But I agree, that’s incredibly frustrating from a user’s perspective. It’s the unfortunate price we have to pay for a fair launch. There is no dev fee or premine to fund development.
But because of the lack of funding, there’s no reason to think having one “official” wallet will be any better. In fact, I’m willing to bet it would be much worse, because there’s nobody to actually build this official wallet. The core team has protocol developers, not GUI app developers. And we can’t exactly hire a team of UX designers and front-end developers to build it. The council would be broke within a year, and the protocol development - the thing that actually separates us from other coins - would suffer as a result.
In short, I hear you. It’s frustrating, indeed. But we’re doing the best we can given the limitations, and we appreciate all of the feedback you and many others have been providing.
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Seems Grin is indeed in a great difficult situation here. People are leaving because of it and it will in trun worsen this situation. Thanks for all your and so many other Grin developers’ efforts. I hope the community will unite and focus on improving the user experience of transacting and trading Grin, which I think should be the most priority thing to do. I pray a bright future for Grin.
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Are you really compare transparent and honest Grin coin with that manipulated beam coin?
Once i went to beam telegram group and some fake members talked about how good is beam and how bad is others MW coins all day long. when i told them Grin Technology is superior compare to beam in my opinion and even MWC price action is better than beam they blocked me.
when we invested on Grin we knew that GRIN has constant block reward and its not going to moon as soon as other project. I myself bought grin for long term like 10 years investment.
I may have said this before, but I’ll say it again. Perception is probably the biggest factor in market adoption. I think there is a lot of value behind a name and communication behind a brand. The fact that we have Bitcoin which imitates the USD symbol, gold, coins, and money, makes people perceive as such. I think many people struggle both with the UX of grin and also the superficial experience of purchasing a smily face vs purchasing something the looks and acts like money.
My 2
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people are buying a coin with a dog on it. Young generations love memes, i wouldn’t underestimate their power 
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