but YOU made poor decisions and did not.
You have no idea what I did or didn’t do in regards to buying BEAM/GRIN.
You don’t know how much I’ve lost on either GRIN/BEAM.
I have made no assumptions about you. Please do not make assumptions about me. Let’s not resort to personal attacks and keep this courteous.
You continue to suggest that owning grin is step 1
But It is. In order to use GRIN, you have to own it.
If that is not the case, please correct me.
The only idea I have is that you dont understand the market dynamics or how things work. You are narrow minded with the only focus on short term gains and I cant imagine how you would be mad about that if you made the correct plays with respect to DCA, entry and exits. Your lack of understanding and your anger makes me comfortable with my assumptions.
No one has ever suggested otherwise…
once the emission is changed, trust and value will be eroded.
No one has ever suggested otherwise…
So now you finally acknowledge that in order to use GRIN, you have to own it? Good, some common ground. Finally.
So you losing money has to do with being a bad trader
Your lack of understanding and your anger makes me comfortable with my assumptions.
I cannot do anything about your assumptions about my anger or understanding. It’s up to you if you want to judge. I make no assumptions about you or judge you.
This forum is for an exchange of opinions, as I understand it, not for personal attacks. There are polite and courteous ways to disagree, without resorting to getting personal.
Again, that’s always been clear to everyone and no one has suggested otherwise. This conversation would be much more pleasant if you understood what we’re talking about
Got a Deja Vu from the Zen Protocol conversations where the management refuses to make any effort on listing ZP or doing some marketing while investors are begging for it, but they keep “building”.
ZP currently has like 5 people in their “community” and is listed on one shady exchange after conducting a 3000btc ICO in 2017.
(not saying that grin is in the same position, quite the opposite)
Please articulate clearly what you’re upset about because all I’ve understood is your lack of understanding
I’ve been upset about some of the decisions that have been made, particularly the lack of usability. But buying a coin doesn’t make you an investor in the same sense as buying stock. You are only helping other holders and marginally incentivizing building the ecosystem. Buying stock does both. Grin devs would benefit more from donations of money, time, expertise than you buying the coin
I’m going to stop responding to anything I feel gets personal. This isn’t the reason I posted here.
I’m the one who started this thread so I’m quite aware of what we’re talking about.
Different folks on this thread asked me for my opinion. I replied to them. Whether you agree or disagree – that’s up to you. No need for anything to get personal. You’re welcome to your own opinions. I do not make assumptions about you or your intelligence. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions. I was asked for mine and I provided it.
As for why GRIN is where it is today – there are two camps as I see it.
GRIN is doing great. Nothing major needs to change.
GRIN Is dying. We need things to change.
Depending on which camp you’re in, you’re either very happy with the way things are going or very frustrated.
I don’t have any silver bullets or miracle solutions. I only know one thing. If you’re in camp #2, then doing nothing is not a solution. Maybe some good ideas come out of this thread if you’re in camp #2. That is the hope at least.
In my opinion, the purity aspect that some important members of the community is dangerous. they will tell you that twitter for example is not good because Grin has no voice, but it fails to see that Grin has to do with its time and that even some dudes on twitter use some sort of very popular twitter account that carry bitcoin name. The thing is that because of the very fact that Grin is decentralized there is not at all any reason to associate any voice to what a twitter account named grin would say.
Council members are paid in Bitcoin and consider that the price does not matter. Fine but if Grin had no price they would need to call Beam to see if they have a job for them, or search for another job. Jasper who started to funded and unfortunately had to leave recently was even going to the right direction by saying that he would do some work to facilitate exchange integration. Twitter is knocked down, the philosophy of the coin is knocked down. In cypherpunk, there is punk, there is anarchy in some way, but it seems that it is all the opposite for some council members and they want an absolute order surounding the coin, and absolute set of rule (CoC), while sometimes they say Grin has no voice at the same time.
I am setting the alarm once again, and bad for me if i appear annoying, stupid or whatever, but some things need to be changed and we need to make the community be able to take more responsibilities if we want to make this coin live a bit. GrinHub has been taken into hostage by some Beam people earlier, the atmosphere in 2019 was horrible when i was there and always always on conflicting discussions. Anyways,I am seriously personnally not staying not much longer in the community if we cannot eeven the freedom to have this twitter account that even does not have the council name inside it. People hate having argument with autority, especially in crypto where everyone wants to win money and just leave from projects to projects. But if we continue being on the direction of a very cold and muted community, what will happens is that this coin will finish like the Zen coin mentioned above, because grin is not magic, while the council members will continue to get paid and the community will continue to reduce and be more and more indifferent to what happens.
Anyways, peace out 
I’m not assuming about your understanding, you’re demonstrating it. And the lack of understanding and willingness to try has made the conversation difficult. I’m in camp 2, although maybe wouldn’t say dying. But I’m not in that camp because of the price or any sympathy for those who lost money and don’t understand what reasonable short term expectations should have been. I’m in that camp because there are no use cases that increase demand (with the complete understanding that there is no reasonable short term hodl use case if you aren’t a talented day trader)
BAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN 
Grin is open source, decentralized project.
Grin doesn’t have budget for marketing (imho, shouldn’t have).
I dont like to compare Grin and Beam, but guys, looks like you have 5 minute fish memory, because 1.5 years ago Beam had CRITICAL issue. We dont like to talk about security, only UX/UI wallets, marketing and price.
Core Team should focus on tech side. Community should take care about marketing.
Peace.
Why does anybody need approval from the council in matters of marketing? Has any bitcoiner ever asked permission or assistance from Bitcoin Core when promoting Bitcoin? They’re just developers.
As a community member you can do practically anything the council can do aside from repo management. Even when it comes to funds, one can attempt to raise donations from other community members with the same goal in mind.
Everything else I can think of, the devs have zero authority on. The weight is on our shoulders. Most are ignoring it.
There is a twitter account with 15k subscribers that is just a freaking dead bot, that could bring a bit of fire (reasonably 
) if it was gently ceased to JAR, which is a great, reasonable, talented at twitter, and devoted community member since 18 months, that proposed to use it. You know, having something else than a dead bot.
I don’t think I over estimate the surplus of nice energy to this community that this could nicely bring. No need to talk price, no need to say moon. Just an interaction, something that make people say “ah this cypherpunk coin has a nice twitter”. i am speaking Tamul.
Create your own twitter, don’t unpurify GRIN. That’s the little i have heard.
The creator has litterally disappeared, like Ignotus, but council members have the password as far as i can understand.
This not an official account, this is not the grin council account. This is from a community member
@Kurt Okay I understand your point. I agree to some extant, it would have been nice to have it active since it already has 15k followers, and let’s be honest, twitter IS the most important platform for crypto at the moment.
Nevertheless, we should take things into our own hands and divert our focus from what’s wrong to what could be made right. I suggest we open a new “official” account. In fact, I might just do that myself. I do lack some proper wit for it though.
That would be awesome, but i think that just a pity that it seems the community is cut into council VS the others.
It is natural to try to protect the things we possess sometimes. But we are on the same boat. 90% of the community members silently left. A good portion of the former council members silently left.
Why can’t we just let go, and be together as a community?
Why so much silence…
But anyways, thats a great news if you can do some uplifting work on twitter. I have been personnally trying to bring nice energy during a good part of 2019, but got discouraged at some point. We were basically just me and JAR (randos of the community) trying to speak about this coin and defending it when it was trashed by people