Yes, definitely worth exploring this
I don’t think paying $60k for Unstoppable Wallet integration is worth it - the price feels way too steep compared to what others are charging. For instance, getting EpicCash listed on CoinEx was only $30k, and Ascendex asked the same to list Grin. Basically, we could get onto two exchanges for the price. If Unstoppable Wallet had some ties to the Grin community or was actively contributing to it, I might see things differently. Take Grin++: even though it’s got issues and ate up a ton of cash, I still think the investment was worthwhile since it’s another protocol implementation in a different coding language.
That said, we can’t ignore the chance to get into Unstoppable Wallet. Adoption matters, and we need Grin to reach as many users as possible. It’d be awesome if Unstoppable Wallet could take another look at their integration costs and come back with something more reasonable (especially if Grin is the only project they asked money from).
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A wallet asking for pay to integrate is embarrassing. For the wallet.
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I also think 60k is to steep unless it would involve additions to grin-wallet such as multisig or atomic swap (there is a nice bounty for this).
They indicated they want to explore colleboration not only funding, so I think we should explore with an open mind if there us some mutual beneficial colleboration posssible.
I agree Trinitron. The fact that unstoppable wallet has come to the grin community begging for money is an eye brow raising concern imo - if you have money on unstopped wallet, now might be your sign to look for a more financially stable company for a wallet.
We could never make a deal with unstoppable - they are a company, grin is a community, what are we gonna do, sign paper work with guarantees? Signed -anonymous? lol we gonna sue them if they don’t follow through or decide to later remove grin support from their wallet?
This is a lot different then a bounty, with a bounty, you usually get some code out of the deal that you can keep - we gonna pay for “support”? An absolute joke this thread should be closed.
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Any individual who has been paid so far is no different from a one man company. It sounds like you are searching for issues and excuses to prevent exploring colleboration instead of looking for opportunities to colleborate.
Why could there not be a bounty? Like always, you ask for something to be delivered and pay when delivery is made. Note that there code is FOSS.
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If I am to say one last thing on this, is that I disagree wholeheartedly. And If you are willing to go forward then why not listi GRIN on a real exchange with actual users traffic?
And as an another sidenote: @Anynomous you said there’s problems for a community council to take place on the forum due to low messaging frequency. Disagreeing on that too, and this sub-forum is the proof.
We are volunteers, we can’t ask from people to appear on a meeting at a specific time, here people could take leisure and answer at their own free will and time.
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I’m 100% down with Unstoppable team adding grin to their wallet
Code needs to be maintained - FOSS doesn’t matter if they decide to withdraw support. The old version of their wallet that supported grin would’t be updated and it’ll be upto us to maintain our own fork of the entire unstopped wallet ecosystem (or pay them more money for continued support - a total grift) . It’s definitely not a “bounty”!
The community has spoken very loudly as to what they want, I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t for grin to be added to unstoppable wallet. I must have seen 10 different threads asking for more exchange adoption, always shut down. Yet you push for this?
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I need to hear more from @ddadybayo to give my final thoughts. Personally, if I was approaching a community with a figure in mind for funding, I’d already have a detailed breakdown of how I arrived at that figure. Similar to going to a bank with a business plan. I also need to know more about their vision for the future and how they see Grin fitting in to it
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Thank you all for participating in this discussion. I want to start by pointing out that, as of today, there is no active mobile wallet solution that supports Grin. From our perspective, adoption should start not with exchange listings, which provide little technical value, but with accessible wallets that lower the barrier to entry.
What we’re offering is not just an integration, but the development of native mobile libraries for Grin from scratch something that will benefit not only Unstoppable, but any other mobile wallet looking to support Grin in the future. These libraries would be open-source and reusable, which could greatly simplify future integrations by other teams. That’s why this isn’t just a one-off job it’s foundational work that requires time, expertise, and long-term maintenance.
The budget we proposed doesn’t even fully cover our costs the work involves building native infrastructure, full integration into Unstoppable, and ongoing support. That said, if the community believes this type of collaboration is too expensive, I completely understand and would encourage you to find another team capable of delivering the same level of work for less.
For us, this is not just a bounty request, but the first step in what we hope will become a long-term collaboration with the Grin community. Our team includes 10 experienced developers, many of whom have worked extensively with UTXO-based chains as well as EVM networks. For example, we were the first team in the world to build a native SPV Bitcoin library for both iOS and Android from scratch.
We see this as a win-win opportunity: a meaningful integration for Grin, and a chance for Unstoppable to support a truly unique protocol.
If the Grin ecosystem wants to move forward, it’s important to start collaborating with highly capable teams not only to build missing tools like wallets, but also to raise awareness around real technical challenges that still need to be solved. I agree that features like multisig and atomic swaps are essential for Grin’s future, but to get there, we have to start somewhere.
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@ddadybayo , thanks for reaching Grin Community.
Unstoppable has an active team and have a large range of libraries, frameworks developed for ios and android. I think collobrating with an experienced team like this will benefit Grin in long term.
I understand some of the community members disliked that other coins are integrated free of charge while Grin is asked for funds. But we can find a way for supporting unstoppable team working on Grin.
@ddadybayo , in addition to what Ardocrat suggested, we have a wishlist on grincc community site, have you checked it ?
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My views:
Positive: At least we have attracted a mobile wallet that already had active users
Negative: We have to pay the ‘fee’ for integration
I think we can keep something in balance as grin community is small, like bargaining to reduce the funding proposal, requesting a clear roadmap or only pay once specific tasks have been done. We got old donation and should ‘try’ new approach.
When we compare that other coins were integrated for free except grin, it’s not really same because the position is different as nobody uses grin at the moment.
Hope it won’t upset current dedicated developer of grin without asking for fund.
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We have the rule: we don’t pay for listing.
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Unstoppable wallet hasn’t been a member of the community, they haven’t provided any help for GRIN before, all they did was find out about GRIN funds and provided a funding request.
GRIN is at ATL right now, and we are seeking a wallet integration, when we have like three other broken wallets.
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It is not important whether people from Unstoppable wallet have made contributions before or not as long as payment is made upon delivery and not beforehand.
As long as they provide bang for buck, we should be happy with any developer contribution.
What we should be discussing:
What this discussion should focus on is if there is such a “bang for the buck” contribution and what that cintribution should be.
Is that a) only mobile wallet libraries for Grin, b) some new feature such as a mobile wallet with Dex ability, c) extending grin wallet to support proper BIP39 derivation + password, d) should it be a lightnode or full node integration in their wallet, e) something else.
I think the above examples are the directions we should be exploring unless we think Grin simply is not ready yet. Regarding “we do not pay for listing”, no we do not pay for listing. But Unstopable wallet is a non-custodial FOSS wallet that also suports trading. We should not treat it as an exchange listing request but as a wallet development request in my opinion. If that somehow enables trading of grin, that would be a large bonus.
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As long as Unstoppable Wallet devs will provide the code that will be of value to the Grin community, I’m in favour of paying them for the effort and couldn’t care less if their previous job was paid for or free of charge. BTC donated by the donors was meant to be put to good use i.e. to be spent on developers and not on housekeeping or in idle mode indefinitely.
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hi,dan.
thank you for coming here for help,as for funding,do you accept grin as all or in part payment?
wish Unstoppable Wallet and grin be successful in the furture.
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I agree that the discussion should focus on the concrete value of the contribution and the kind of impact it can have for the Grin ecosystem.
Let me outline how we at Unstoppable view the scope of the integration and how it aligns with your suggestions:
a) Native mobile libraries
Our proposal goes beyond just “adding Grin” - we’re offering to build native libraries for both iOS and Android from scratch. At the moment, no such mobile-native libraries exist for Grin.
One of the key advantages of Unstoppable Wallet is our fully native architecture, which enables much better performance, security, and responsiveness compared to cross-platform frameworks like Flutter or React Native a common choice among other wallets.
b) DEX functionality
We would love to integrate a DEX for Grin if there was one available and actively maintained. Currently, Unstoppable supports several DEX integrations for EVM chains such as Uniswap, 1inch, PancakeSwap — and we’re adding Thorchain in the upcoming sprint.
Unfortunately, the Grin ecosystem doesn’t yet have a working DEX, which means this feature isn’t currently feasible. We’re more than happy to integrate one in the future if the community develops such a solution.
c) BIP39 + Passphrase
We’ve supported BIP39 with passphrase since version 0.21 (Release notes here).
If Grin eventually adopts a standard derivation path and clearly documents the format, we will be glad to support it as well. We’re strong advocates for flexibility and enhanced user security.
d) Node setup
Our current plan is to integrate Grin with a light node approach, but we’re also open to enabling users to connect to custom full nodes in the future. It’s something we can evaluate further depending on user needs and technical feasibility.
Additional privacy-focused features
Unstoppable Wallet already includes a variety of privacy-enhancing features that align well with the ethos of Grin. These include:
- Duress Mode, which allows users to hide sensitive assets or accounts under stress.
- Built-in TOR VPN on Android and F-Droid versions, giving users more anonymity and control when managing their assets.
a) Can you please expand what your “mobile library” is supposed to help developers? You know we have Grim on all platforms (made by a community member for free) and before that there were multiple wallets on Android?
b) No DEX? You said there was a DEX.
c) What?
d) OK
If this goes forward I am asking politely the CC to donate the funds immediately to a charity of choice.
No, I am the only person who dropped that word in this discussion 
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