# VPNs that accept Grin as payment?

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**Created:** [April 21, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/vpns-that-accept-grin-as-payment/10454 "2023-04-21T21:14:43Z")\
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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 7:00am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/vpns-that-accept-grin-as-payment/10454/5 "2023-04-23T07:00:22Z")

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> [@coolwhip](#):
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> Grin privacy and Monero privacy are totally incomperable.

They can certainly be compared, as I did in [Scalability vs privacy chart](https://forum.grin.mw/t/scalability-vs-privacy-chart/8114)

As that picture shows, privacy is not a binary switch, but a spectrum, and Grin is toward its bottom, by sharing the two most important privacy enhancements over bitcoin:

1. hiding amounts, and

2. hiding addresses.

Monero is further on the spectrum (about as much as MW+CS), and shielded Zcash is further yet.

If some attacker is responsible for 90% of Monero transactions in order to identify decoys, then Monero becomes rather traceable. That could be a reason to recommend shielded ZCash to uses seeking privacy, as it doesn’t share that weakness…

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