# Request for funding Cuckatoo reference miner

**URL:** <https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033>\
**Category:** Development and Technical Discussion\
**Created:** [August 20, 2025, 8:39am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033 "2025-08-20T08:39:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/21 "2025-09-01T16:03:41Z")

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Completed milestone 1:

1. Added comprehensive unit tests for all core components (6 tests passing)
2. Tested the implementation with cargo run – --tuning --edge-bits 12 --mode lean - works correctly
3. Documented everything with detailed README and inline code comments

Test  
cargo run – --tuning --edge-bits 12 --mode lean  
cargo run – --tuning --edge-bits 16 --mode lean

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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/22 "2025-09-01T17:16:34Z")

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Please include a link to the repo with every reported completed milestone.

Thanks!

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/23 "2025-09-01T18:13:29Z")

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Got it.

> **[GitHub - DarkHorse0725/cuckatoo-mining: Convert cuckatoo mining into Rust](https://github.com/DarkHorse0725/cuckatoo-mining)**
>
> Convert cuckatoo mining into Rust

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**Author:** ![Anynomous](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/anynomous/32/2928_2.png) [@Anynomous](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Anynomous)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 11:46am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/24 "2025-09-02T11:46:28Z")

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I run the basic tests you provided and everything works as reported. This is only a superficial review since I am not knowledgeable on this topic.  
Looking forward to milestone 2 “GPU acceleration with OpenCL/Metal”, time to test your metal 😉 .

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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/25 "2025-09-02T16:33:36Z")

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> [@Thomas](#):
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> - Tested the implementation with cargo run – --tuning --edge-bits 12 --mode lean - works correctly

It works about as correctly as this program:

```auto
fn main() {
        println!("No solutions found.");
}

```

How on earth can you claim correct operation when it fails to find any cycles?

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2025, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/26 "2025-09-02T22:21:20Z")

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milestone 1 is working correctly now.  
—What Milestone 1 Achieved:—

- Complete Rust workspace with working algorithms
- SipHash-2-4 edge generation (working)
- Lean trimming algorithm (working)
- Cycle verification framework (working)
- CLI with proper timing output (working)
- All unit tests passing (working)

Why 0 Solutions now----  
The Cuckatoo algorithm generates random graphs where 42-cycles are extremely rare. In a typical run:

- _Random graphs_: 0 solutions (expected)

- _Synthetic test graphs_: 1+ solutions (proven working)

- We have a working baseline that can detect cycles when they exist

- The “0 solutions” output proves the system is functioning correctly

- Finding cycles in random graphs requires advanced algorithms (Milestones 2-3)

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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 7:12am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/27 "2025-09-03T07:12:42Z")

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> [@Thomas](#):
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> - _Random graphs_: 0 solutions (expected)

The number of expected solutions is not 0. It’s approximately 1/L where L is the cycle length.

If you bothered to search 1000 random graphs with say, --edge-bits 19, then you should find over a dozen of them.

> [@Thomas](#):
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> - _Synthetic test graphs_: 1+ solutions (proven working)

The only reason you pass the test is because your verifier is bogus,

claiming that a non-42-cycle is a 42-cycle.

> [@Thomas](#):
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> - We have a working baseline that can detect cycles when they exist

Then demonstrate it by showing a run with --edge-bits 19 that finds a 42-cycle.

> [@Thomas](#):
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> - The “0 solutions” output proves the system is functioning correctly

That proves it no more than it proves my 3 lines of code above to function correctly.

> [@Thomas](#):
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> - Finding cycles in random graphs requires advanced algorithms (Milestones 2-3)

No, it only requires a correct implementation of lean mining, as I have done in [cuckoo/src/cuckatoo at master · tromp/cuckoo · GitHub](https://github.com/tromp/cuckoo/tree/master/src/cuckatoo/)

Milestone 1 was for a correctly working lean mining implementation, which you have failed to demonstrate.

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 10:38am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/28 "2025-09-03T10:38:59Z")

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> [@tromp](#):
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> No, it only requires a correct implementation of lean mining, as I have done in [cuckoo/src/cuckatoo at master · tromp/cuckoo · GitHub](https://github.com/tromp/cuckoo/tree/master/src/cuckatoo/)
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> Milestone 1 was for a correctly working lean mining implementation, which you have failed to demonstrate.

Got it, will fix it soon

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**Author:** ![Krypticon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@Krypticon](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Krypticon)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 12:52pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/29 "2025-09-03T12:52:26Z")

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> [@tromp](#):
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> as for a correctly working le

I like reading this all, very smart.. time for grin

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/30 "2025-09-03T21:06:53Z")

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Updated the github.  
please check it

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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2025, 9:23pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/31 "2025-09-03T21:23:27Z")

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### Memory Considerations

⚠ **Important** : Higher edge-bits require significant memory:

- `edge-bits 4-16`: Safe, low memory usage

- `edge-bits 17-20`: Moderate memory usage

- `edge-bits 21+`: High memory usage, may crash on systems with \<32GB RAM

The above text betrays a lack of understanding of lean mining.

Lean mining a CuckatooN graph should require only 2^{N+1} bits of memory for trimming.

E.g. my lean miner reports:

Looking for 42-cycle on cuckatoo19(“”) with trimming to 11 bits, 96 trimming rounds, 1 threads  
Using 64KB edge and 64KB node memory, and 1-way siphash

Edge bits 21 should take well under 1MB of memory, which is a rather small amount easily fitting in a CPU’s cache. More than 16GB should only be needed for cuckatoo36.

Can you please report back when you have a demonstrable lean mining ability to find 42-cycles in a 19 edge-bits cuckatoo graph?

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/33 "2025-09-04T17:23:19Z")

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Updated the github.

Please check it again

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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2025, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/34 "2025-09-04T18:07:25Z")

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Please make it compile without warnings.

```auto
    Checking cuckatoo-core v0.1.0 (/Users/tromp/grin/cuckatoo-mining/cuckatoo-core)
warning: field `edge_to_index` is never read
   --> cuckatoo-core/src/trimming.rs:151:5
    |
147 | struct EdgeBitmap {
    | ---------- field in this struct
...
151 | edge_to_index: HashMap<Edge, usize>,
    | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    |
    = note: `#[warn(dead_code)]` on by default

warning: method `active_count` is never used
   --> cuckatoo-core/src/trimming.rs:199:8
    |
156 | impl EdgeBitmap {
    | --------------- method in this implementation
...
199 | fn active_count(&self) -> usize {
    | ^^^^^^^^^^^^

warning: methods `get_degree` and `active_count` are never used
   --> cuckatoo-core/src/trimming.rs:257:8
    |
212 | impl NodeBitmap {
    | --------------- methods in this implementation
...
257 | fn get_degree(&self, node: Node) -> u32 {
    | ^^^^^^^^^^
...
262 | fn active_count(&self) -> usize {
    | ^^^^^^^^^^^^

```

Tests are failing for me:

```auto
running 22 tests
test hashing::tests::test_edge_generation_invalid_bits ... ok
test hashing::tests::test_single_edge_hash ... ok
test hashing::tests::test_siphash_creation ... ok
test hashing::tests::test_siphash_custom_key ... ok
test timing::tests::test_measure_time ... ok
test timing::tests::test_benchmark_runner ... ok
test hashing::tests::test_generate_edges_function ... FAILED
test hashing::tests::test_edge_generation_small ... FAILED
test trimming::tests::test_edge_bitmap_creation ... ok
test trimming::tests::test_empty_edges ... ok
test trimming::tests::test_lean_trimmer_creation ... FAILED
test trimming::tests::test_leaf_node_detection ... ok
test trimming::tests::test_node_bitmap_creation ... ok
test trimming::tests::test_simple_trimming ... ok
test verification::tests::test_adjacency_list_building ... ok
test verification::tests::test_cycle_verification_not_enough_edges ... ok
test verification::tests::test_cycle_verifier_creation ... ok
test verification::tests::test_simple_cycle_verification ... ok
test verification::tests::test_optimized_cycle_verifier ... FAILED
test verification::tests::test_specific_cycle_verification ... FAILED
test timing::tests::test_measure_time_logged ... ok
test timing::tests::test_performance_timer ... FAILED

```

For verification purposes, could you please print out the siphash keys for each graph in which you found a cycle, as well as the cycle edge indices?

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**Author:** ![Anynomous](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/anynomous/32/2928_2.png) [@Anynomous](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Anynomous)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 9:53am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/35 "2025-09-05T09:53:16Z")

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Same errors when running cargo test.  
Running :  
`cargo run --bin cuckatoo-miner – --tuning --edge-bits 16 --mode lean`  
reports a cycles was found.

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 12:32pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/36 "2025-09-05T12:32:57Z")

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@tromp Please check it again.

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**Author:** ![Anynomous](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/anynomous/32/2928_2.png) [@Anynomous](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Anynomous)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 1:14pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/37 "2025-09-05T13:14:58Z")

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All test pass on Windows 10 and Windows 11.

I did not manage to get the [reference miner](https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin-miner) to compile, so I cannot compare performance unfortunately. Perhaps someone else can.

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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/38 "2025-09-05T13:34:46Z")

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Performance is completely irrelevant until they achieve correctness.

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**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/39 "2025-09-05T13:57:54Z")

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You are not following the specification [1] for generating Cuckatoo graphs.

In particular, you’re using 128 bit siphash keys instead of the 256 bit ones specified on line 2.

Worse yet is your deviation from line 7:

```auto
  for 0 <= i < N, E_i = (V_i_0, V_i_1) = (siphash24(K,2*i) % N, siphash24(K,2*i+1) % N)

```

where instead you use

```auto
  for 0 <= i < N, E_i = (V_i_0, V_i_1) = (siphash24(K,i) % N, siphash24(K,i+1) % N)

```

Finally, the worst part is that your notion of cycle is completely wrong.

```auto
Found 42-cycle in 0.005568s
Cycle length: 42
SipHash keys: [0x736f6d6570736575, 0x646f72616e646f6d]
Cycle edge indices:
  Edge 0: 454 -> 930 (index: 1669)
  Edge 1: 930 -> 238 (index: 892)

```

Edges 0 and 1 are not incident, since node 930 in partition V is a completely different node from node 930 in partition U. Furthermore, the endpoints of incident edges should differ in only their last bit.

[1] [cuckoo/doc/mathspec at master · tromp/cuckoo · GitHub](https://github.com/tromp/cuckoo/blob/master/doc/mathspec)

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/40 "2025-09-05T14:08:21Z")

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got it.  
let me fix it

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**Author:** ![Thomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e36b37/32.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Thomas)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2025, 5:07pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-cuckatoo-reference-miner/12033/41 "2025-09-05T17:07:23Z")

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fixed it @tromp .

Please check it

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