# Notice to Grin Community Council members and anyone who votes in favour of giving out funds from CC **URL:** \ **Category:** Governance\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 10:10am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126 "2022-10-29T10:10:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Anynomous](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/anynomous/32/2928_2.png) [@Anynomous](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Anynomous)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126/22 "2022-10-30T12:40:38Z")
@Ghost3 Will be suspended for two weeks for repetitive trolling, FUD and general toxicity. ---
**Author:** ![Bread](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/bread/32/3409_2.png) [@Bread](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Bread)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126/25 "2022-10-30T12:57:13Z")
> [@Anynomous](#): > > repetitive trolling, FUD and general toxicity. You guys are bringing back so much memories, instead of emails telling me I’m wrong and to buzz off, accounts get banned! 😂😂😂 More reading for you! > **[Charities Act 2011](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/25/contents)** > > An Act to consolidate the Charities Act 1993 and other enactments which relate to charities. ---
**Author:** ![Anynomous](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/anynomous/32/2928_2.png) [@Anynomous](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Anynomous)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126/26 "2022-10-30T13:01:03Z")
@Ghost3 @Bread Same troll, another account == longer ban. We should do something about this troll infestation 🧌: ⚠ 🧌. Maybe time to permanently ban accounts🤔? Just let me know your thoughts are as community members. ---
**Author:** ![Neo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/neo/32/3365_2.png) [@Neo](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Neo)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126/27 "2022-10-31T01:35:24Z")
> [@Ghost3](#): > > The donations were given to the people who administered the last donation, not the CC. As far as I am aware, restrictions can be explicit or implicit. From my reading, they are very clear in who they wanted to control the funds, and what they wanted it spent on. It is also the judgment of the core team that they trusted, not some mythical community members As you have quoted, the donor to the Grin general fund imposed no restrictions by stating “I don’t judge you on how to spend just want to make sure you can process it and distribute it as you need”. Grin OC then later distributed part of the funds to the CC. Both OC & CC are just community members. There’s nothing mythical about anyone. > [@Ghost3](#): > > But we must all be held to account for our actions. So, when you next decide to donate your own money (€4500 for a news letter) just remember, IT IS YOUR MONEY, you are giving away. It’s not just a newsletter, it’s a goundskeeper/ admin role. Are you aware that the OC used to pay Lehnberg ~9000€ per quarter for a similar type of roll ? although more detail oriented [Request for Funding, @lehnberg: Q1 (Jan-Mar) 2021](https://forum.grin.mw/t/request-for-funding-lehnberg-q1-jan-mar-2021/8040) Personally I would like to see costs minimized for any groundskeeper/ admin role. But that requires someone from within the community making a better proposal. ---
**Author:** ![trab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@trab](https://forum.grin.mw/u/trab)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126/28 "2022-10-31T22:10:39Z")
> [@davidtavarez](#): > > everybody knows what needs to be done No, _you_ know. Other people do not. Newcomers show up all the time. Keeping information to just an inner circle and acting like “everyone already knows” is another reason why newcomers don’t stick around. Ideas need to be socialized. I will continue talking about possibilities and things that could be built if we had X feature. Talking about things that are needed is the first step. You can feel free to ignore me, but I absolutely won’t let you bully me into silence. I will remain positive and excited about the potential of Grin. ---
**Author:** ![davidtavarez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ab097/32.png) [@davidtavarez](https://forum.grin.mw/u/davidtavarez)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126/29 "2022-10-31T23:15:07Z")
> [@trab](#): > > Other people do not. Are you being serious right now? dude, being against something or someone for the simple fact of being against it always ends up betraying the person. > [@trab](#): > > Ideas need to be socialized. Who is saying otherwise? > [@trab](#): > > won’t let you bully me into silence Now disagreeing with you is bullying you? What’s wrong with this generation? Was it the water? Was Alex Jones right again? God… Anyway … anyone can do anything and share it here. If someone disagrees with any of the processes, the person can simply open a Pull Request and discuss their changes. Anyone who disagrees with the process can participate in the process, and convince the rest of the community to change it. People need to understand that there is no centralized entity here. Keybase is open to all who wish to participate, also Github. ---
**Author:** ![Anynomous](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/anynomous/32/2928_2.png) [@Anynomous](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Anynomous)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 11:01am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126/30 "2022-11-01T11:01:33Z")
> [@davidtavarez](#): > > What we need are more doers, people who take responsibilities, willing to do the dirty work, and that is what is missing. @trab Do not take @davidtavarez disagreeing personal. Point is that this whole discussion was fueled by troll @Ghost3 with the purpose to create dissent within the community. I have seen this happen multiple times in the past, do not let the trolls succeed 🧌. The trick mostly used by the trolls is to mix valid arguments and ideas from the past with bullshit arguments FUD and a false sense of ‘there being a problem’ while in reality things are fine as they are. Often the objective is to restart difficult discussions from the past that were already rounded off, since they know they can create dissent when there were different opinions on such topics in the past. This does not mean we cannot improve the current government structure or should not have these discussions at all. Actually many of the current community council members and other community members supported @joltz Grand Proposal idea: > [@Fund Alternative: A Grants Model Proposal](https://forum.grin.mw/t/fund-alternative-a-grants-model-proposal/8475/2): > > i like the idea but instead of 6 fixed legacy council & 5 rotating community seats, i think that having good balance between is better especially when core team already have its own fund and community needs at least the same number of voices 5 fixed legacy membres & 5 rotating community seats community members needs to be the most active members on keybase and the forum participating in various discussions like @phyro Purely for practical reasons since we do not have the man power or momentum to build, maintain and use such as system, do we use the current more simple governance and funding method. Hence, this discussion should be had at a time when it is actually fitting and we have the manpower and other reasons to reconsider these alternatives. The main point I want to make is that many times good discussions are started under a false pretext with no constructive objective by the poster. The openings I gave @Ghost3 for an honest discussion were only used to create FUD and dissent instead of honestly and openly working towards improvement. So lets not buy into this trolls bullshit 💩 🧌 and fall for the trolls trap of creating dissent among one another when our temperaments are running high because in reality we are getting exhausted by the toxic discussions fueled by these trolls 🧌 ❗ . Currently there are more worthy topics that do require our attention and energy, for example a Grin bulletin system: > [@Grin Bulletin Board: Discussing three options and select one for bounty](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-bulletin-board-discussing-three-options-and-select-one-for-bounty/9822): > > In the Community Council meeting of today we discussed the possibility of introducing a Bulletin Board system for Grin as sugested by @satoshocrat. The purpose of a Bulleting board is for users to be able to share information while they are offline. These are not non interactive transactions, but are a solution that allows those users who do not like having their wallet online, or those who do not like to share their slatepacks via email or other known channels, to share that information. The o… Because all the trolls and general lack of time, these more worthy discussions are shelved. At least I wished I had more time to actually look into this in dept. Lets focus our energy on topics that we should be spending them on and not waste them on a discussion started under a false pretext. Lets stay strong and united as community 🙏 🫂. [Previous page](https://forum.grin.mw/t/notice-to-grin-community-council-members-and-anyone-who-votes-in-favour-of-giving-out-funds-from-cc/10126.md?page=1)