Not at all. In this warped world, those that set up the fiat money scam get the funding. More than a trillion dollars were spent on wars that maimed and killed children. Fiat money doesn’t reward the worker, but the worker rewards the fiat money (as already pointed out above with cryptocurrency). Those that are paid in fiat money are the bag holders, effectively enslaved by it. Realizing this freed me from that statement of yours. It’s a disgrace to be prosperous and wealthy from causing misery to others.
I’ll keep at that. Otherwise the discussion will branch and not be productive for me (getting business that pays in a currency that do not get its value from scamming people).
People do not want to work because the only reward there is fiat money and we are awaken about the scam. We haven’t even come up with a proper alternative to rewarding people again.
This comment is in the context of a Grin fundraising app. So I was saying “If something doesn’t get funded by Grin holders, then it’s an indication that Grin holders don’t like it, right?”
This comment is in the context of a Grin fundraising app
Are you telling me to turn away and look for business elsewhere? I am truly trying to do business that will be beneficial for both me and the existing coin holders. GRIN was designed to be depreciated over time, so productivity must outpace its depreciation for its purchasing power to be preserved or increase.
I was awake about the social nature of currency even at the early days of cryptocurrency. If the Bitcoin pizza was not bought, Bitcoin could have failed, because only when others get to hold Bitcoin that they see an incentive to also help the ecosystem.
If the GRIN holders are stingy cheapskates that fail to know the social nature of currency, what can I do about it beyond indeed looking elsewhere for business? The U.S. dollar is going to collapse and clinging to it is pointless. If GRIN wants the same fate, there is nothing I can do about it, as I cannot mine it neither I have large holdings of it to influence the market.
@fredericomba My question to you would be if you are mostly interested in Grin for making “business” or because you believe it is a a valuable project to contribute to?
If it is the later, and if you have some skills with Rust, I would advice to simply go to mimblewimble · GitHub and fix some bugs. That is the best way to i) show of you skills ii) get reputation fast and iii) get hired to squash more bugs, build features or expand on existing ones.
I know that it is tempting to think of new products, but I think Grin is most benefited by improving and polishing its core functionalities.
The software works as it is (I assume, since I haven’t made a single transaction using GRIN). There is nothing to be fixed. The problem is elsewhere. Something is only a “bug” if it affects some user, but who are the users of GRIN? If the software is not used, there are no complaints to be addressed. Those that complain should back their issue requests with a reward to it. Notice how the issue tracker stayed almost silent for over a year: no usage leads to no complaints and nothing to be addressed.
A missing question is: valuable for whom? GRIN is split in two parts: the software and the coin distribution. It is hard to estimate how valuable the coins are because it is the society that holds it that decides if spending time trying to acquire some of them is worth it. I know Rust. However, unless I’m paid for time spent, I’m not interested. The result of that work could increase the purchasing power of GRIN, yet I would see nothing from it (as I do not hold GRIN). The coin holders (miners) should be the ones that fund the software, as they are the ones that benefit the most from an increase in its purchasing power.
Not a single of the issues in that issue tracker, if addressed, would help on making GRIN widespread (which would help sharing the liability burden of GRIN, which is its inherent depreciation, easier as the more people share the burden, the smaller the individual burden becomes).
To do business is a matter of survival. We patch the shortcomings of each other and become stronger, more able to survive in the process. I can’t make all of the parts of a computer myself, so the cooperation of a multitude of people (doing business) made this thing that is so immensely useful for me. I don’t know why you used quotes in “business” so I’m assuming that is a request for clarification.
I think you get wrong what Grin as project is trying to achieve. We do not want go guile people in using Grin, promise moonshot features, we do not even aim to increase the price. We simply try to make Grin live up to its promise as minimal, scalable, fungible, privacy preserving digital cash and store of value. Staying true to the principles the project set out with and not compromising on those principles is what I and most Grinners consider success. Whether people like that or not, whether they want to invest or not, even whether they want to use grin or not - it really is up to each individual to decide.
What I was basically asking you is what the priorities are for you and why you are spending time here on the forum and on Grin as project. If it is in the hope of getting some side project and pull in donation from community members and miners… you can try…but I highly doubt it will get you anywhere since there are no larger investors/bag-holders behind grin who aim to moonshot the price.
What we search for is developers who are here because they primarily care about grin as project, because of its ideals, because of its beauty and elegance because it is so minimal, scalable, elegant and nimble crypto.
I think you answered my question, you are primarily here to make business, feel free to do so, but I would not hold my hopes high.
Regarding work to be done, there are 126 open issues for grin (the node) and there are 77 open issues open for grin-wallet. That is where the work is and that is where funding is available for, so if you find grin interesting, read up on what makes it unique, make some transactions, and start with work on open issues. The rest should follow naturally.
No lol. I’m telling you that if you create a Grin fundraising system, and Grin users don’t donate to your specific fundraiser, then that means they don’t think your idea is worthwhile.
That’s why fundraising solutions are cool. They can tell you what people want and what they don’t want.
Remember when we discussed Trust up above? Nobody knows who you are and what you’re capable of. You are literally promising anything we can dream of and saying “just trust me” because you don’t want to give us evidence of your capabilities. You don’t even want to spend an hour learning how Grin works until after you’re paid (edit: I see you have started researching it, so thank you! That does mean something). If someone isn’t interested in Grin enough to read the basic docs on their own time, why would anyone want to pay them?
I’ve given you many links for information, ideas, encouragement. But it seems like every time you just reply with resentment towards me and I don’t know why.
What about just hanging out and getting to know Grin a bit? Build some trust and bonafides, you know? For you, that might be tackling a low hanging issue (since you actually know Rust), or maybe it’s just helping test some new features that need more testing before being merged.
Or you could show past work you’ve done and make a proposal for what you want to build and how you want to be compensated. No harm in proposing that and seeing if the community wants it.
But it seems like every time you just reply with resentment towards me and I don’t know why.
Because I’m old and already full of it: “encouragement”, “ideas”. Ah! Believing in dreams is a thing for young people! Why is that corporations have an entire department (human resources) dedicated to “motivational speeches”, “coaching”? It’s because “motivated” (read: deceived) people work more for far less. I will not give an inch to that corporate attitude of being played around by a carrot on a stick (and the carrot is dried up and does not look that tasty).
I already know GRIN for years. I was already here before in 2021, but the environment around cryptocurrencies was full of hype and fads, so I decided to wait more time for it to die out and the sober mood take over (which happened easier with GRIN, as it resists pumping).
What do you expect me to do? I can try to compile the Rust “Grin Node” and address some issue that you deem “low-hanging fruit”. What is the reward for it? It should be something that is addressable in a week otherwise I will not consider it. I will expect to have “trust” after that on top of the reward for it.
You’re the only person dangling a carrot here. All you say is “I’m a great programmer and can make your wildest dreams come true” with nothing to back it up.
You asked me for ideas, I’ve given you several now, but none of them seem good enough for you. Just make a post about what you want very clearly so that people can either agree to the deal or not…
This attitude is nuts, man. We literally don’t know you. Don’t know anything about you. But you’re god’s programming gift to mankind? Neat.
Here is some code I wrote in TypeScript (link), so you can see my style. I use binary operators in JavaScript/TypeScript for performance (the engine optimizes the type for 32-bits integers). I made that project for a contest in the litecointalk forum (link) and won it, if that means anything. It is because of Litecoin that I got to know GRIN back then.
Now it is not “nothing”, there is something. But the more extraordinary things I have written are in private repositories that I no longer have access to.
I would look for some low hanging fruits under open issues for grin node and wallet and solve them. If it is and important one, we can put a bounty on it for you or the other way around, you say I can fix this bug, for so much. After showing you mettal we can discuss options for paying for a defined period of time if you prefer that. If that is too much risk for you, I am afraid there will be no opportunities here for you.