# GRIN Community is Obsessed with Centralization

**URL:** <https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-community-is-obsessed-with-centralization/9043>\
**Category:** Rants & Flames\
**Created:** [June 17, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-community-is-obsessed-with-centralization/9043 "2021-06-17T13:56:08Z")\
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**Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-community-is-obsessed-with-centralization/9043/7 "2021-06-17T15:35:16Z")

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> [@oryhp](#):
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> My guess is there are very few people in the community today that would install new chat software only to have a grin communication channel which is why I think a sudden transition may do more damage than good. I could be wrong though.

I think that a phase of low community engagement is the best time for a migration. Much easier than with a large community, since only the Grin diehards are left that would follow anywhere.

While most Big Tech platforms try to force you to install their app and provide personal information, most of the fediverse apps are available as webapps and support mutliple other open source clients. Create account and you’re in. Much lower friction in that regard. While there is more friction usually with the UX, because they are built on much less money, but honestly, most of them are pretty good.

> [@Anynomous](#):
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> but that should be a choice of to the individual.

I’d agree for the _community communities_, but I disagree when it comes to the “official” communities, like the dev channel or governance. These should be as open as possible.

Keybase makes it hard to create a backup. We are at risk to lose the early history. I think this would be easier with a more open platform.

> [@Is there a backup of the Keybase chat?](https://forum.grin.mw/t/is-there-a-backup-of-the-keybase-chat/9015/3):
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> There is a keybase widget for the grin.mw website. Maybe this implementation can give some hints. It is limited to 100 messages. Not sure how feasible it would be to page through everything and dump it into JSON and HTML, as well as saving all the attachments. [https://grin.mw/community](https://grin.mw/community)

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