# Grin and Artificial Intelligence **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [January 22, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573 "2025-01-22T15:05:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![waynegeorge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/waynegeorge/32/6601_2.png) [@waynegeorge](https://forum.grin.mw/u/waynegeorge)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/1 "2025-01-22T15:05:15Z")
I came across this on X ([AGI at home](https://x.com/alexocheema/status/1881561143736664180)) and checked out [EXO Labs](https://exolabs.net/) which, other than the site’s colour scheme, reminded me of Grin and Grin’s mission. I too, fear a world where power is concentrated into the hands of a few and it seems that technology could allow for super concentration. Decentralised tech seems to be the way forward. I’m not sure at this stage how Grin and AI connect but perhaps the idea is that both AI and money need to be forces of good. One thing I did notice was that LLMs and the Cuckoo Cycle algo are both memory-bound. I expect that there’ll be a point soon, if not already, where a GPU could outperform current G1 ASICs. Perhaps AI hobbyists would mine Grin when not training models. ---
**Author:** ![ardocrat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/ardocrat/32/5164_2.png) [@ardocrat](https://forum.grin.mw/u/ardocrat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/2 "2025-01-22T18:32:39Z")
> [@waynegeorge](#): > > One thing I did notice was that LLMs and the Cuckoo Cycle algo are both memory-bound. Exactly, in the future robots can mine Grin at idle mode.. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/grin/original/2X/4/49f9a7e33dc637719b0ac14badbf3c7b50662513.jpeg) Nvidia GPUs data centers are expensive and very powerful from memory bandwidth side, so can it be the future of GRIN mining (C33-C64)? ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/grin/original/2X/8/86a21a03213bec01b935ce37e8a16e32f2187ebf.jpeg) Phones are getting more powerful too, once we will have at least one open-source miner and it will be ARM. ---
**Author:** ![tromp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/tromp/32/22_2.png) [@tromp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/tromp)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2025, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/3 "2025-01-22T18:59:31Z")
Mining Cuckatoo32 power-efficiently requires a few hundred MB of SRAM (ideally, 512MB) which those GPUs still fall short of… ---
**Author:** ![Alice](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/alice/32/7242_2.png) [@Alice](https://forum.grin.mw/u/Alice)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 5:04am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/4 "2025-01-23T05:04:22Z")
[Can Artificial Intelligence be the leader of Grin?](https://forum.grin.mw/t/can-artificial-intelligence-be-the-leader-of-grin/11370) lol ---
**Author:** ![syntaxjak](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/syntaxjak/32/6733_2.png) [@syntaxjak](https://forum.grin.mw/u/syntaxjak)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:03am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/5 "2025-01-23T08:03:06Z")
Most Ai framework runs off a token based system, it would be possible to run an Ai model on a server and offer the Ai service for public use through an api, using grin coin to pay for token usage directly. Problem with this idea is Ai is rapidly becoming easier to run locally and cheaper or even free. Although I suppose something like that could be built into a grin wallet to allow interaction with Ai within the wallet to automatically pay for inquiries. I really liked how yeastplum was thinking of ideas about grin + ai, really sucks the community didn’t eeem to be very positive on the idea. ---
**Author:** ![pengliangfui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@pengliangfui](https://forum.grin.mw/u/pengliangfui)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:41am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/6 "2025-01-24T05:41:06Z")
要做什么事，这样不行，那样不行，那还不如不干，少数服从多数，拿着捐赠者的钱只要在开放就行 ---
**Author:** ![trab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@trab](https://forum.grin.mw/u/trab)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/7 "2025-01-26T19:42:48Z")
> [@syntaxjak](#): > > I really liked how yeastplum was thinking of ideas about grin + ai, really sucks the community didn’t eeem to be very positive on the idea I was negative about it because of the core priorities. People want AI to be able to transact with each other but we don’t even have a GUI wallet that allows _humans_ to transact with each other. I mean come on lol. For example “using grin coin to pay for token usage directly” is not possible until we have a payment proof flow where servers can verify that payments have been made by the user to authorize the usage. It’s a cool idea for a community project though and I hope Yeastplume still explores it. I wish there would have been a little more discussion rather than him leaving at the tiniest bit of pushback, but honestly why was the OC not involved in helping set priorities? Why is the OC not meeting to discuss priorities internally at all? ---
**Author:** ![ardocrat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/ardocrat/32/5164_2.png) [@ardocrat](https://forum.grin.mw/u/ardocrat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 10:12am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/8 "2025-01-27T10:12:20Z")
> [@trab](#): > > until we have a payment proof flow Seems like we need to finish this [grin-rfcs/text/0000-early-payment-proofs.md at early-payment-proofs · tromp/grin-rfcs · GitHub](https://github.com/tromp/grin-rfcs/blob/early-payment-proofs/text/0000-early-payment-proofs.md) There is opened issue after testing by community member: > > > Wallet 1: > \`\`\` > ./target/release/grin-wallet --testnet contract new --send=1 --e…ncrypt-for=tgrin1pj5wlv3nhvua5lgr72dq9ufu8aw2m05ke5z47j5463zvrgej54qsstc3rg > Password: > \--------------- SLATEPACK METADATA -------------- > > Slate encrypted: true > Slate finalized: false > Slate saved to file: /slatepack/3198ee9b-f033-4e6e-8699-19c9cb58f82d.S1.slatepack > > \-------------- CUT BELOW THIS LINE -------------- > > BEGINSLATEPACK. 3pDmAZBPAaFKxhX Hhi1beNF3pCpmpY ugZNstfhxHzQtrZ zA9HUtMTgbXmUa6 FHQAqRSa3U1fwbu D3iaiYSPLT1hjTE qGMm2rdsVyBofM6 cp6ZDe7Lm3bEm2b 7jmdrzGyfPSTNrL fWrceZbM7rKFo59 bST38KxMXginKca Y7JcQbrJoETKc2W WY6vNTWzfg9QJBt PyDUZhzmMP9KYWT ECjhaagFWtxxfKw pTPMUxgQX6kdbGx NnfuJavCv658VAR ka9upRnBD3ti5MP 27iXnvFYZEpgHJc 4UQF4PutVPdBt2r pXTQ3dRx4bAmDAk j4RG9Y4wMv2h5sc XTKHJP8pHVZGk9n vqeYQWNEK5reqUX rtK4oyA63wCmq9D r75BTjwPn9vdqma eeb9oazDpALNDCn XtguxrSwoPn7coM iCUdCvGKeigZ3rw SokXdb7x8L6x7Ej 3QimTEkg9DoJFe6 FJsEGG5dFQMfzBK 9nEHGvaLt5c2MT3 MBd1FMi9p1fMGmm r7B7bNCMMqpZm6c 7Vfc4F7T4AFRyvF WFbgzGJsafYvfNq oLfZ4vfBquVBaW3 DFsKRBMXnvaA1xy n2L1MqziRyEzGSU BRtmt4xeU3jFtZY HnhsdryC5TdiTV3 i1G6pN6mhJdCXvW nbc51S4HV4gspJJ 3Tw7k2GTt8B4hHC 4Ms93g93PkA2SDZ P19zYouaeerg6iT ScxPXuiZXbC2pZ. ENDSLATEPACK. > > \-------------- CUT ABOVE THIS LINE -------------- > Command 'contract' completed successfully > \`\`\` > > Wallet 2: > \`\`\` > ./grin-wallet --testnet contract sign --receive=1 > Password: > Paste slatepack: > BEGINSLATEPACK. 3pDmAZBPAaFKxhX Hhi1beNF3pCpmpY ugZNstfhxHzQtrZ zA9HUtMTgbXmUa6 FHQAqRSa3U1fwbu D3iaiYSPLT1hjTE qGMm2rdsVyBofM6 cp6ZDe7Lm3bEm2b 7jmdrzGyfPSTNrL fWrceZbM7rKFo59 bST38KxMXginKca Y7JcQbrJoETKc2W WY6vNTWzfg9QJBt PyDUZhzmMP9KYWT ECjhaagFWtxxfKw pTPMUxgQX6kdbGx NnfuJavCv658VAR ka9upRnBD3ti5MP 27iXnvFYZEpgHJc 4UQF4PutVPdBt2r pXTQ3dRx4bAmDAk j4RG9Y4wMv2h5sc XTKHJP8pHVZGk9n vqeYQWNEK5reqUX rtK4oyA63wCmq9D r75BTjwPn9vdqma eeb9oazDpALNDCn XtguxrSwoPn7coM iCUdCvGKeigZ3rw SokXdb7x8L6x7Ej 3QimTEkg9DoJFe6 FJsEGG5dFQMfzBK 9nEHGvaLt5c2MT3 MBd1FMi9p1fMGmm r7B7bNCMMqpZm6c 7Vfc4F7T4AFRyvF WFbgzGJsafYvfNq oLfZ4vfBquVBaW3 DFsKRBMXnvaA1xy n2L1MqziRyEzGSU BRtmt4xeU3jFtZY HnhsdryC5TdiTV3 i1G6pN6mhJdCXvW nbc51S4HV4gspJJ 3Tw7k2GTt8B4hHC 4Ms93g93PkA2SDZ P19zYouaeerg6iT ScxPXuiZXbC2pZ. ENDSLATEPACK. > Wallet command failed: LibWallet Error: Sender address has not been provided > \`\`\` > > Same if you use \`--encrypt-for=\`: > \`\`\` > ./grin-wallet --testnet contract sign --receive=1 --encrypt-for=tgrin1wvcfnnsf63qj27yfumukrte7nyyszndcnl4d36crg0yk0dftct3qur8d4t > Password: > Paste slatepack: > BEGINSLATEPACK. 3pDmAZBPAaFKxhX Hhi1beNF3pCpmpY ugZNstfhxHzQtrZ zA9HUtMTgbXmUa6 FHQAqRSa3U1fwbu D3iaiYSPLT1hjTE qGMm2rdsVyBofM6 cp6ZDe7Lm3bEm2b 7jmdrzGyfPSTNrL fWrceZbM7rKFo59 bST38KxMXginKca Y7JcQbrJoETKc2W WY6vNTWzfg9QJBt PyDUZhzmMP9KYWT ECjhaagFWtxxfKw pTPMUxgQX6kdbGx NnfuJavCv658VAR ka9upRnBD3ti5MP 27iXnvFYZEpgHJc 4UQF4PutVPdBt2r pXTQ3dRx4bAmDAk j4RG9Y4wMv2h5sc XTKHJP8pHVZGk9n vqeYQWNEK5reqUX rtK4oyA63wCmq9D r75BTjwPn9vdqma eeb9oazDpALNDCn XtguxrSwoPn7coM iCUdCvGKeigZ3rw SokXdb7x8L6x7Ej 3QimTEkg9DoJFe6 FJsEGG5dFQMfzBK 9nEHGvaLt5c2MT3 MBd1FMi9p1fMGmm r7B7bNCMMqpZm6c 7Vfc4F7T4AFRyvF WFbgzGJsafYvfNq oLfZ4vfBquVBaW3 DFsKRBMXnvaA1xy n2L1MqziRyEzGSU BRtmt4xeU3jFtZY HnhsdryC5TdiTV3 i1G6pN6mhJdCXvW nbc51S4HV4gspJJ 3Tw7k2GTt8B4hHC 4Ms93g93PkA2SDZ P19zYouaeerg6iT ScxPXuiZXbC2pZ. ENDSLATEPACK. > Wallet command failed: LibWallet Error: Sender address has not been provided > \`\`\` Had conversation at TG: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/grin/original/2X/e/e0498a1a7108c32fb766d51a84db0b5fb13664ae.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ardocrat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/ardocrat/32/5164_2.png) [@ardocrat](https://forum.grin.mw/u/ardocrat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 10:22am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/9 "2025-01-27T10:22:16Z")
> [@trab](#): > > why was the OC not involved in helping set priorities Community helps to set priorities when asking what they need, good example is above. Github, this Forum, Telegram chats are public places, your voice can be heard also at Keybase. Payment proofs are top priority and this is not only GUI part. ---
**Author:** ![waynegeorge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/waynegeorge/32/6601_2.png) [@waynegeorge](https://forum.grin.mw/u/waynegeorge)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/10 "2025-01-27T17:01:31Z")
Does anyone have a link to the most recent conversations on Payment Proofs? Perhaps we could regenerate some excitement around it. It sounds like grin could easily become part of the conversation on the best technology for AI agents to use, especially with its scalability advantage. The built-in amounts blinding could also be super useful for it in terms of business strategy. Privacy maximalists give grin a hard time regarding its linkability but they may be overlooking the steps in between. One other thing that I think could be super useful is Atomic swaps, in particular with a currency like ETH or SOL or any other established currency that has a DEX. If there’s anything said about that too please let me know. ---
**Author:** ![oryhp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/oryhp/32/2923_2.png) [@oryhp](https://forum.grin.mw/u/oryhp)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/11 "2025-01-29T16:36:14Z")
If my memory serves me right, Yeastplume did start work on tromp’s proofs quite some time ago. It might be in the grin-wallet contracts branch, but I can’t remember if it was finished or not. The contracts error is familiar but I don’t know why the sender wouldn’t be specified in this case. It would need a bit of debugging, but unfortunately, I don’t have the time (or motivation) to look into it right now:( > [@trab](#): > > I wish there would have been a little more discussion People can still discuss things freely and share ideas. ---
**Author:** ![BOBO](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forum.grin.mw/bobo/32/6271_2.png) [@BOBO](https://forum.grin.mw/u/BOBO)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2025, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.grin.mw/t/grin-and-artificial-intelligence/11573/12 "2025-04-01T02:58:11Z")
Perhaps AI hobbyists would mine Grin when not training models？Everything is profit-oriented, as long as grin has a good price, someone will mine grin, so don’t worry about mining hashrate,Even China has a large surplus grin mining hashrate.In 2017, GPU graphics card mining had excess benefits, and Chinese gamers could not buy graphics cards, and game graphics cards were used for mining. If the benefits of mining for grin are higher than the benefits of model training, people will even train less data models to mining grin. I really like the ideas of grin + ai and is positive on the idea.If GrinCoin and AI can really connect and chemically react.AI has a large number of users in various fields,AI users will be grin users, so the most important thing is to bring in a large number of grin users and expand the grin network. I’ve been wondering what kind of project can surpass Bitcoin, and what would the next altcoin that outperform Bitcoin look like?An altcoin that is better than Bitcoin must:1.It is not technically similar to Bitcoin, but it has its own technical characteristics compared to Bitcoin; 2. It is not led by the government or centralized institutions. after all, grin + ai is an important weapon，maybe grincoin will be widely used as a result AI 爱好者在不训练模型时会挖掘 Grin。只要grin有价格，就会有人挖grin，所以并不要担心算力。 事情都是利益导向的，2017年，GPU显卡挖矿有超额利益，中国游戏玩家都买不到显卡，游戏显卡都用于挖矿了。如果挖古灵的利益高于模型训练利益，人们会少训练数据模型而挖古灵。 I really like the ideas of grin + ai and is positive on the idea.如果grin coin和ai真正可以联接和化学反应，ai用户也是grin用户，那最重要就是带来大量grin用户，扩大grin使用网络。 我一直在想什么样的项目可以超越比特币，下一下超载比特币的山寨币是什么样子？1、不是技术上与比特币相似，而是比特币想比有自己技术特色。2、不是政府或中心化机构主导的。